Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2387 Location: The 51st State
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: "That" range report - Anshutz TR reduced range trn
A fair few of you have asked for a report from me.....I've not wanted to do one before because what I do is not like what you mostly do. It can't be compared - even though it is still lead tossing, it is a different school of lead tossing.
Right, I need to make it clear that I am not bragging - I am not showing off, and I am not saying that I am better than anyone else.
I do this. It is my thing. I don't have to be able to run with a bergen, I don't need to kill to survive and/or protect.
I sling my rifle, look through a dioptre sight (just a 3.7mm hole in a glass ring) and just shoot at small black spots with a "tack driver" that will always be able to out perform me.
I practice. A lot.
I joined SC to help gain some skills to help me. Skills that the "usual" target shooter probably wouldn't be able to give me.
I shoot at targets that are much smaller than the reduced range practice pictures that Recoil put up. My usual 25yd target card is made up of ten individual diagrams that mean I have to move around the card - 1 shot in each diagram. This means upsetting my position very slightly for each shot.
Those black dots I shoot at....I have to hit inside the very middle ring every time to win....without touching the line at all. That's a lot of dry firing, relaxation techniques, focusing, listening to others....and practice. Currently I have a 98.2 average - by no means the best. That middle ring counts as 10 points - and a 10 spot card can give you 100 points. Simple stuff.
When I shot Recoils reduced range targets I was just out for fun. As I did not have to move around the paper I could just punch away. Because of the results I even got my Club President to sign as a witness.
Why did I say "Newbies stay away?" - A bit of a joke - but I always wanted to play guitar. After hearing Jimi Hendrix I realised I'd never be that good - so never started to learn. If you're a newbie, then just practice...I've only had 3 years trigger time - but I'm an engineer and was taught my whole life to "LISTEN and DO AS I AM TAUGHT".
I was also told that you never stop learning - so never stop listening.
I'm only as good as the people who help me - and that means each shot I fire has a little bit of all of you in it. For that I thank you.
RIGHT.....Those darn reduced range targets.....
20 shots from a single loader bolt gun. 2 minutes (well....just shy of 2 minutes). That included removing the jam caused by my fat fingers ramming a case (my very first jam!!!!)
Keeping on one target without moving made this an easy task for me. My eye stayed behind the sights and my ammo was exactly where it had to be to just reach, pick, load, pull...It has taken 3 years to get my position this far....and I'm still not happy with it...
That fubar round....Don't panic, dump it, reload, keep shooting.
Man....20 shots.... most of those just went through and hit the back wall....and my ammo isn't cheap (for a .22!!!)
A bit more relaxing. Once the first shot goes in, the rest follow - once more thanks to me just having to hold one position (unlike the movement I am usually used to). These diagrams took 10 minutes total to shoot....and yes....that is 10 shots in each.
I put these in a range report because I didn't want to post them in Recoils "reduced Range" thread. I'm a hard practising focused competition shooter - and I didn't want these pictures to put anyone else off of having a go.
To be honest with you - I'm a bit embarrassed about even posting them here - It just feels like I'm bragging (Recoil will say grow a spine now!!!!) _________________
Good shooting, chap. _________________ Kamrad Tylov
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
Absolutely OUTSTANDING shooting, Raven! Just frickin' brilliant! Those little groups get me all giddy and warm and fuzzy...
To the newbies Raven was talking to, to help clarify: Raven is shooting extremely specialized equipment here. His rifle is unlike any rifle that I've seen anyone else here have and in addition to that, his iron sights are designed with precision and competition in mind, not warfare or hunting like most irons are here in the States.
This is NOT meant to take anything away from Raven at all. On the contrary! No matter how accurate the gun, it still takes a skilled shooter to shoot like Raven. I just wanted to clarify this point so people don't feel too bad about their shooting. Had Raven used a Ruger 10/22 or an AR-15 with standard sights, he'll be the first to tell you that his groups would have been larger.
At any rate, this just proves what one can accomplish with a rifle and some quality practice--and without a scope!
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2387 Location: The 51st State
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject:
Recoil wrote:
Absolutely OUTSTANDING shooting, Raven! Just frickin' brilliant! Those little groups get me all giddy and warm and fuzzy...
Praise indeed!
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To the newbies Raven was talking to, to help clarify: Raven is shooting extremely specialized equipment here. His rifle is unlike any rifle that I've seen anyone else here have and in addition to that, his iron sights are designed with precision and competition in mind, not warfare or hunting like most irons are here in the States.
Even my old 1980's Annie punches tons - but that's still a high end precision rifle that can't be compared to hunting and military/LE rigs. It doesn't need to withstand being dropped out of a Charlie 130 into a swamp....
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This is NOT meant to take anything away from Raven at all. On the contrary! No matter how accurate the gun, it still takes a skilled shooter to shoot like Raven. I just wanted to clarify this point so people don't feel too bad about their shooting. Had Raven used a Ruger 10/22 or an AR-15 with standard sights, he'll be the first to tell you that his groups would have been larger.
A 10/22 with good diopters...no problem - but the standard heavy duty sights....yeah bro - no way you can group this tight - the error is in the sight - not the shooter- SO....don't feel bad at all - My sights are cut glass discs, chamfered, tinted and drilled to tight specs (0.1mm can really make a difference).
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At any rate, this just proves what one can accomplish with a rifle and some quality practice--and without a scope!
Just keep me away from scopes and bi-pods and I'm, fine!!!
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Well done Raven, you're a phenomenal shooter.
I'm just a guy with a sling and a rifle that I wouldn't swap for the entire Tac-Ops catalogue...... _________________
Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 809 Location: Washington
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject:
Outstanding shooting. Just goes to show others that they are other techniques to do, to improve you shooting. As raven stated, lots of pratice, dry firing, etc. actually does help for the people who think they do it enough. (I know I dont, it drives my girl crazy for me to play with the guns unless Im out shooting.)
Hey raven, any chance of getting a pic as best you can of what it looks like to see through those sights? I've always wondered what it looks like. (Probably not considering how small it is)
Erik _________________ Always room to learn and to improve in anything you know and do!
Savage 111 .270 win
Ruger 10/22
Glock 23
12 Gauge Shot Gun
More to come!!!!!
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2387 Location: The 51st State
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject:
E.Precision wrote:
Outstanding shooting. Just goes to show others that they are other techniques to do, to improve you shooting. As raven stated, lots of pratice, dry firing, etc. actually does help for the people who think they do it enough. (I know I dont, it drives my girl crazy for me to play with the guns unless Im out shooting.)
Hey raven, any chance of getting a pic as best you can of what it looks like to see through those sights? I've always wondered what it looks like. (Probably not considering how small it is)
Erik
That's about it!
Those reduced range targets fit inside the very middle ring of the foresight. (none of the black touches the edge of that inner ring)
The rear sight is adjustable in size and colour (and 1/16th MOA) It runs through a tube to get rid of unrequired light. The front is cut coloured glass in a tube. It has a bubble on top so I am always level (well...canted anyway). If I'm slightly at an angle, then any sight adjustment can send me the wrong way.
Each time I shot a target card I shoot 3 sighter shots first. First shot doesn't tell you much on it's own - so I don't adjust. Second shot tells you more - if it groups with the first shot, then I'm quite sure that I was aiming correctly, and that the bullet IS hitting that point. 3rd shot confirms. _________________
dom _________________ "A rifle is like a human. The stock is the skeleton, the scope is the eyes, the action is the brain, and the barrel is the heart.
But you, the man behind the rifle, you are the soul."
Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 809 Location: Washington
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:38 am Post subject:
Thanks for the pics, that was perfect. I really like those sights.
Erik _________________ Always room to learn and to improve in anything you know and do!
Savage 111 .270 win
Ruger 10/22
Glock 23
12 Gauge Shot Gun
More to come!!!!!
Out of curiosity Raven, why is the front sight mounted in such a fashion as to be held over the barrel from the side with a curved piece of metal, rather than straight up from the bottom like most sights? For as small as the targets you shoot at are, I can't imagine it's to avoid obstruction...
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