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Essayons · Joined: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 224 Location: Richmond, VA

Shopping around for new rings and I was looking for opinions on what is the best set of rings for the money. I'm using Luepy Mk4s as the benchmark, and looking for something that approaches the same quality, but at a lower price point.

Options I've come across are the Burris XTR and TPS TSR series.

Any opinions on these or other suggestions?
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Longshot38 · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1996 Location: Montgomery, TX

Seekins, TPS, nightforce, Waren

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Pen&Sword · Joined: 13 May 2009 Posts: 1077 Location: San Diego, CA

I got Seekins 34mm for my Premier. They are very well made and finished. $129 from LibertyOptics.

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monteboy84 · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject:

I strongly suggest lapping them, regardless of what brand you choose to go with.

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Pen&Sword · Joined: 13 May 2009 Posts: 1077 Location: San Diego, CA

really? I've read conflicting advice on this - some say lapping makes the rings larger than the designed size and hence less contacts points and then others say it increases contact etc....

Why would you say it needs it to be done as a universal need?

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monteboy84 · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject:

I say it's a universal need, for the same reasons that I suggest bedding a scope base: No machined part is perfect.

Your rings are not perfect, your scope rail is not perfect, and even your scope and lapping bar are not perfect. BUT, it is much more likely that the lapping bar and scope are to a near-perfect tolerance than the system of rings bolted to a machined base.

By lapping the rings with them mounted to the specific rail and position you plan to use them on, you're eliminating the sum of imperfections and simply aligning the rings to each other.

As for making the hole to big, you're not removing much material, and slight (.001" or so) over-sizing is much less of a concern than having focused contact points that can damage your scope's tube.

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Pen&Sword · Joined: 13 May 2009 Posts: 1077 Location: San Diego, CA

I get it. Would I then need to refinish the rings on the inside? Would the lapped surface be abrasive to the finish of the scope?

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monteboy84 · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject:

boone · Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 1329 Location: Mountain's of WV.

You will more than likely have to lap every ring you come into contact with regardless of the Company that makes them. I've lapped everything from Burris XTR's to my NF rings. CNC machines have come leaps and bounds in the past years but there not perfect.

So when someone tells you buy *blank* companies rings b/c you'll never have to lap or work on them just walk away.

Or think of it this way.
Paying $1000-$3000 for a pretty scope and running the possibility of damaging that scope b/c you didn't want to pay the $30-$70 for the lapping kit seems kind of foolish.
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bambibashercol · Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 33 Location: england

what about rings like opti lock? They have abit of a nylon insert.
Do you still recommend lapping these rings.

SpaceGoD · Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Posts: 965 Location: Austin, TX

The problem with lapping rings for a premier or s&b is that I've never seen a 34mm lapping bar. I believe rob01 said he made his own when I brought it up a long time ago.
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Pen&Sword · Joined: 13 May 2009 Posts: 1077 Location: San Diego, CA

ta-dah!

http://www.kokopelliproducts.com/acckit.htm

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SpaceGoD · Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Posts: 965 Location: Austin, TX

Ahh, actually I think I might have seen that. There's no way in Smile

I'm paying $120 for a lapping bar Smile

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Essayons · Joined: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 224 Location: Richmond, VA

If I'm going to lap the rings anyway, is there any point in spending the extra $40 on Seekins rings over the Burris XTR?
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Longshot38 · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 1996 Location: Montgomery, TX

SpaceGoD I agree there is no way I'm paying that price for a lapping bar. However a cheaper way to do this is run down a machine shop and guarantee they have a scrap piece of 34mm bar stock laying around that they will almost give you. Then all you have to do is drill and tap a hole and you have a lapping bar.

Essayons this all a matter of personal preference. There is nothing wrong with Burris rings or Seekins. I personally like Seekins products and would spend the extra for them, but one really doesn't have to.
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