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ekaphoto · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject:

After looking on the Lapua web site they no longer make match 7.62x54R ammo, however they do make hunting ammo in that caliber. That is probably as good as a lot of match ammo.

http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=871
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FluffyTheCat · Self-proclaimed genius Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Posts: 1798

Mel:

You already have the bargain sniper rifle. It is the Twedish Mauser that you built years ago.

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perpetual motion · Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 990 Location: Reno, Nevada

All this talk about Finnish nagants has gotten me excited. Where can I get one other than gunbroker? Is there anyone out there distributing these? Inter ordnance no longer carries them.
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scatsob · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 68

http://www.gunsnammo.com/ <--Here you can get m39's and TN guns has the m28/76 target rifles.

Cliffy · Joined: 12 Feb 2005 Posts: 443 Location: Yukon,Canada

Hello
well this isn't that easy of a task, but I think I wood go with a CG63 target rifle with diopter sight on it for finding a scope and rifle for $500

3922- Swedish CG63 Target Rifle in 6.5x55. Excellent bore. Carl Gustafs 1917 receiver. Bolt and receiver re-stamped and matching. Features Soderin diopter sights. Some handling marks on stock. Overall good to very good condition. Actual rifle pictured. $495.00

This rifle shoild shoot and the diopter sight is problay better than most scope for ajustments and repeatablity. if you can see the target you can hit.

Cliffy

ekaphoto · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject:

While on the phone with another SC member it was suggested that I should elaberate why I picked the M39 and scope I did. So here goes.

The M39 is a reworked mosin nagant the Finns did. It was rebarreled free floated etc and did not leave the factory until it shot 1.3 inches or better at 100 Meters. This was not the sniper version, but the standard everyday battle rifle. I have already talked about who shot one, actually it was an M28, an earlier version of the m39. All in all that is the biggest bang for the buck IMHO. No extra work needed with good ammo, just get a good rifle and shoot. I didn't go with the Mauser 6.5x55 for a couple of reasons. First it is too obvious. Second the 6.5 is better ballisticly, but the 7.62 round had more punch downrange IMHO. Last but not least, the germans put down their mauser 8mm rifles in WW II and used Russian Mosin Nagants because they performed better in the cold according to some. It is a fact many german snipers did prefer the Mosin, but debatable on their reasons however.

The Burris fullfield scope was reviewed by Mel and is a great scope for the money. While the 40mm objective isnt the best, a larger objective biggest gains are low light. For the budget proposed a scope less than $200.00 and you will not find anything better new. The rule is 1x of power per 100 yards so in theory the 3-9 should get you to 900 yards. In reality a good shooter with a 3-9 can go further. It is the shooter more than the scope.

The ATI kit. Simple, it is biggest bang for buck. Some reviews say the bolt handle tends to work loose, not problem. I would use either lock tite or JB weld on the threads to keep it from coming loose. Some people weld them, but again we are going cheap here. Many people have no problems with the bolt coming loose. If the cheek rest is too low ie scope too high, just duct tape some old foam padding on. I have a couple of old sleeping pads around the house I can cut up and some duct tape. It is very very cheap if not free IF it needs to be done.

Anyway thans for the heads up Pen and I hope this answers any questions of why I made my choice to you folks out there.
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Pen&Sword · Joined: 13 May 2009 Posts: 1077 Location: San Diego, CA

Good stuff Ekaphoto. It's always nice to know the why behind the what.

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scatsob · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 68

My only question is can a Finn mosin hold 1" consistantly with no match ammo avaliable. You would have to reload I guess, but even then. Dont get me wrong they are great shooters and I have limited first hand experience with them, but it seems like 1moa is nothing to sneez at. I only say this because I have seen Russian mosins that could not hold 6moa at 50 yards.

Pen&Sword · Joined: 13 May 2009 Posts: 1077 Location: San Diego, CA

ekaphoto · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:36 am Post subject:

ekaphoto · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:41 am Post subject:

I found some match sniper ammo. also winchester makes some hunting ammo. http://www.outdoormarksman.com/product_info.php?cPath=65_63_48&products_id=68219
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mele · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject:

One day left to get your submission in!

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muzzleblast · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject:

Hmmm

I'd be curious about a Swiss K31 (usually capable of sub MOA 5 shot groups) with a St. Marie scope mount and a Leupold Rifleman on it.
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mele · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject:

Link to where you can get the St Marie mount?

MEL

muzzleblast · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject:

Sorry Mel I should have said "Swiss Products"

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1666/Product/SWISS_PRODUCTS_SCHMIDT_RUBIN_K31_SCOPE_MOUNT

It's made in the USA and the company is owned by Pierre St. Marie.

It's the only way I know to get a sub MOA rifle, field tough, great trigger, good mount and good glass for that price. a Leupold Rifleman 3-9 would be a great scope for the project.

GP-11 is around pretty cheap, and it is match ammo. If that is not an option a shooter could reload with standard 308 cal bullets.
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