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184SFS
Joined: 23 Mar 2008 Posts: 30 Location: Florida
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:14 pm Post subject: Wolf Ammunition, Thoughts? |
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I'm really thinking hard about this....I have often over looked wolf ammunition but I am now looking & seeing the price & supply as a big plus for it. I've thought about buying some & building up my supply for a "just in case" need! What are your thoughts on them, I don't want guesses.....I want the NO BS TRUTH. Here's what I'll run the ammo in if the case I need it:
SOCOM 16, M1A, AR15, 1911A1, GLOCK 17
Here's what I'm looking at:
55gr .223 FMJ
62gr .223 FMJ
62gr .223 Hollowpoints
150gr .308 FMJ
230gr 45ACP FMJ
115gr 9MM FMJ
150gr .308 SP
Thoughts??? _________________
1903A4,M1D,M24 Custom,Fulton/TRW M1A,SOCOM 16,AR15,M1911A1,GLOCK 19 |
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tylerw02

Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 2651
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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In Glocks and AKs its ok.
On ARs some like it, some don't.
I don't have enough experience with an M1A style rifle to tell you one way or the other.
Keep it out of 1911s. _________________ Kamrad Tylov
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." |
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184SFS
Joined: 23 Mar 2008 Posts: 30 Location: Florida
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| tylerw02 wrote: | In Glocks and AKs its ok.
On ARs some like it, some don't.
I don't have enough experience with an M1A style rifle to tell you one way or the other.
Keep it out of 1911s. |
What's the issues with the 1911's? _________________
1903A4,M1D,M24 Custom,Fulton/TRW M1A,SOCOM 16,AR15,M1911A1,GLOCK 19 |
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whbonney26 Moderator

Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 5832 Location: Louisiana
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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I like the rifle ammo but have had some issues with the pistol ammo. Mainly in my 1911s. My Glocks will shoot anything. My Springfield Ultra Compact did not like Wolf ammo. It would jam up often. _________________ JOEY
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FluffyTheCat Self-proclaimed genius

Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Posts: 1798
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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In World War 2, US Army Ordance experimented with steel .45 ACP cases. The result was broken extractors in the 1911.
So if you want to shoot steel cased Wolf .45 ACP ammo, don't use a 1911.
Fluffy _________________ I'm a genius. And you are not. |
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RayaK9

Joined: 13 Apr 2009 Posts: 577 Location: IL
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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No problems with the .308. Some of it is surprisingly accurate, even at distance!
My RRA chambers the .223 with zero issues as well. _________________ Remington 700 VTR .308
Millett TRS-1
Harris and Karsten enhancments
*I love my VTR, couldn't ask more from a hunting rifle* |
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chevypickle23
Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 218 Location: Huntington Beach CA
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Shoot it in everything you own. The money you save shooting wolf ammo if you don't reload will be leaps and bounds more than it will cost to replace a extractor every 5K plus rounds.
The only real issue with wolf used to be the coating they used on the cases. It would gunk up your gun and would get so sticky you could get cases stuck. They don't use that coating anymore and it shoots fine.
I have shot wolf in my 1911's, glock, usp, Colt AR, bushmaster AR, ak, m1a with no issues.
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ekaphoto

Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 4773 Location: State of Jefferson
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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The problems/draw backs of wolf ammo is that it is steel cases and have laquer on them to prevent rusting. when firing a lot of rounds the laquer can melt into the chamber causing jams. Because of steel cases your extracter can break insted of the case. Now my understanding is that wolf has gotten away from the laquer and the ammo is better than it used to be. Thehy may even make some brass cases as well. _________________ John
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tylerw02

Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 2651
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| FluffyTheCat wrote: | In World War 2, US Army Ordance experimented with steel .45 ACP cases. The result was broken extractors in the 1911.
So if you want to shoot steel cased Wolf .45 ACP ammo, don't use a 1911.
Fluffy |
Exactly. _________________ Kamrad Tylov
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." |
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Hooz

Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 125 Location: Central Ohio
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ekaphoto wrote: | | The problems/draw backs of wolf ammo is that it is steel cases and have laquer on them to prevent rusting. when firing a lot of rounds the laquer can melt into the chamber causing jams. Because of steel cases your extracter can break insted of the case. Now my understanding is that wolf has gotten away from the laquer and the ammo is better than it used to be. Thehy may even make some brass cases as well. |
The old laquer stuff was nasty. The new polymer coating is good-to-go.
I shoot nothing but Wolf in my .223/5.56 ARs (62gr FMJ and HP) and I can only think of one time I had an issue with it...
I took my nephew to the range and he was so smitten by the AR he was shooting that he proceeded to empty most of two mags as fast as he could pull the trigger. I am not kidding that there was smoke rolling off and out of the barrel. The gun then sat on the bench for about 10 minutes (on safe, pointed down range) with a round in the chamber. When he picked it back up to fire again, the round in the chamber fired as normal, but then it failed to extract. I cleared it with a cleaning rod and then went about expending the rest of the ammo we had on hand.
That is the one and only time I've had an issue with Wolf, and I've shot over 4,000 rounds of the new polymer coated stuff in three different ARs.
I also shoot their "Gold" line, brass-cased ammo in the 6.5 Grendels quite a bit. It is a decent performer and less than half the price of the top tier stuff. _________________ "There are over 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the other 11?" - Yuri Orlov |
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tylerw02

Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 2651
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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The problem with Wolf in ARs is that its underpowered and can create problems in under-gassed guns. A quality AR15 should handle it with no worries. _________________ Kamrad Tylov
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Brian77223
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 7 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:11 am Post subject: |
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I've only had the problem mentioned above about the lacquer getting gunked up in a hot chamber and causing fired rounds to stick. This has happened about 15 times for me out of about 1000 rounds. When it happens, I clear the magazine and pop it out with a cleaning rod. I haven't used the new polymer coated cases. The accuracy in the .223 55gr FMJ isn't really target worthy, I usually get 2-2.5 MOA out of my stock Howa 1500, while with black hills I get closer to 1 MOA.
I've never had a fail to fire or hang fire.
Some complain that it is really dirty, but I dont find it that bad.
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Ddvant01

Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 543 Location: Louisville, Kentucky
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I've had problems with their .308 rounds in my savage before, not exactly sure what was wrong, I cycled brass through it and it worked fine, but when I stuck a WOLF round in it the thing didnt want to cycle as smoothly. AR's they were fine, but I could tell a difference in the performance, but AKs they work just fine. |
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vegplot

Joined: 04 Feb 2009 Posts: 78 Location: North West Wales
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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They're fine in the Steyr AUG and AR-15 straight pulls but can't vouch for their cyclability for semi-automatics. Good quality and cheap ammunition. _________________ Pistol Secretary
Bangor Practical Rifle and Pistol Club |
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Gunnutz13

Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 52 Location: Willow Grove NAS, PA
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject: My 2 cents... |
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Boy...you sure did open a can of worms here...!!
WOLF Ammo...people either love it...or really hate it !!
Good new is that WOLF no longer coats their soft steel cased ammo with the green laquer...they now coat it with a grey color polymer that does not melt into the firearm action.
(More good news...WOLF now has a GOLD (brass) line of ammo)
http://www.wolfammo.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=75&Itemid=117
I have used the 7mmRemMag in my Remington Model 700BDL and it is quite accurate.
I shoot WOLF ( Black Box {BB} & Military Classic {MC} ) in my AKMS, AR15, SKS, Thompson 1927a1, Auto Ordnance PKZSE 45, Walther P38, EG Makarov, etc...without failure to feed...failure to extract...and without a broken extractor...for years now.
Availability...Price...and it goes boom when I shoot it !
I say try a few boxes...you may just like it. _________________ Gunnutz13
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